Shingeki no Kyojin Chapter 128 Discussion

Jazzo44556 said:
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out what Isayama is saying about our society. Is it basically a 'humans suck'? Or am I missing some important piece of nuance? It might be more prudent to wait for the conclusion before extrapolating possible meanings and interpretations, but I just can't help myself.

The closer we get closer to the ending, the less likely I think things will end well. I better start mentally preparing myself.

RPWPA said:
Funny how Armin was like we can talk about this and then he goes and does this shit even stating he would be ok to dirty his hands. Really should have chosen Erwin.

Andrzej2 said:
Another retarded chapter. I can't accept how Mikasa, Connie and others are behaving. Fighting along with their murderers and opressors should not be possible under any circumstances. Creating this artificial and unplausible team just killed this manga for me.

There was no other option than rumbling. Whole world was determined to eradicate Paradis. But Mikasa and team suddenly decided that they will side against thier own nation to protect some muderous ppl with whom they have noe connection whatsoever. Ridiculous.

And sadly author really believes in what he is drawing. He portrays Floch and Yaegerists as evil, rude, agressive and ugly.Like facists in american movies. He exaggareted both sides making whole story even less plausible.

Modernoir said:
I find it funny people still think Isayama's going with a "forced" peace message, you'd think after seeing the cracks in the Alliance shown in the last chapter (with Hange not having a clear answer against Eren's ideology other than "Genocide is wrong" while Jean saw the benefit in Eren's plan) and this chapter (the Alliance having to force bloodshed hypocritically against their own people to stand any shot in stopping Eren), the Alliance aren't being painted in much of a heroic light at all. As usual, the conflict within the series is grey because Isayama isn't trying to force a message either way but allows the readers to interpret things instead.

lmao it's a monthly manga guys, you have no excuse for speedreading or shallow interpretations.

ThatShiny_Hex said:


Don't speedread. I think this is the best depiction -




Also not to mention, Hange and the 104th are the only people who have visited the Marley as commoners; and the only ones remaining who fought as survey corps back in the day. We have seen what Jean said in the last chapter about the fact that Hange has no answer as to how to solve this conflict.

Desireless said:
I loved the chapter overall.

However, the thing about the wall titans being able to reach the rest of the continents in the "blink of an eye" is pure bullcrap. The wall titans might be big compared to humans, but they are a mere 50 meters in context of big things, when all is said and done. The bigger a titan is, the slower its movements are as well, as was illustrated with Bertholdts and Armins titans. Not to mention that the titans actually have to stop from country to county and destroy everything, which I would assume actually should take some time aswell. These titans were contained in this tiny island (tiny compared to other countries and continents), but the way the story portrays it you would think the each titan just wipes out an entire country with just one step each. 🙄

Shadzzo said:
Imagine being such a pathetic group of people that you start killing your own people for the sake of the survival of your enemy that will annihilate you after you save their ass lmao

RabidFish said:
I love that this manga poses difficult questions it doesn't necessarily have the answers to, it encourages discussion. But god damn some people are just too fuckn stupid to even get it.

I think the point made by the marleian capt is the correct one. Eren is taking the easy way out, erasing conflict and the history of the conflict instead of trying to face it, embrace it and start to make things right by accepting it and begin a process of healing. By playing the one-upping game, there's no resolution, only an escalation of violence.

Eren is deluded by the ilussion of conclusion, he thinks he can break the cycle of violence, but this is an inevitability of life. People will continue to kill each other, and paradisians will just find a new way of dividing themselves and killing themselves after the rumble.

DragonIncursio said:


and you’re not ?? You think the world can just be changed by words alone ?? Thats not the real world and youre living in a fantasy land. Everyone wants to break the cycle of violence especially Eren. Remember his dream was to go beyond the walls, see the outside world. Now that he has seen evil side of humanity, he wants to purge them. He is justifiable here

wex89 said:
So now tell me how's eren is wrong doing things he is intended to do? course genocide is Worst thing he can do but WHAT ELSE CAN HE DO?

wexley09 said:
Magath's resolution was completely misplaced imo and felt forced. Why does he breaking his country men's arm give him an epiphany that Eldians ain't so bad? Would have felt more natural after survey corps'resolve not to kill their former comrades.

Zevven said:
AOT manga does the same as Neverland...
Storyline peaked a long ago and now it's only decreasing in quality with every chapter.Repetetiveness, lots of undeveloped characters, same dialogues re-phrased 1 million times.Can we all sign a petition for Isayama(hope,I wrote it right)to give Mikasa some fcking development.

It's basically a budget Evangelion at this point.World's gonna be destroyed.

Chileno-12 said:
No wonder Eren gave up on his former comrades. Their resolution is way too half-assed. They should have accepted a long time ago that they're facing a "kill or be killed" situation. Instead, they deluded themselves into thinking peace between Paradis and the world was an option. Even after they realized in chapter 123 that the people who support Eldian rights want the hatred redirected solely on Paradis, they refused to acknowledge their shortcomings when they got back to the Island. That's why Eren committed himself to end that hatred via genocide. As far as I'm concerned, they're just as guilty as Eren for letting their naïve idealism get the better of them.

Zevven said:


Magath is obviously lying and he is going to betray them later.He doesn't seem like a person to change vision on things at all.

Zevven said:

This.Surprisingly, Eren seems like an only person to understand what's happening.Thanks to his ability to see past and future, I guess.Almost everyone in main party is still shouting about peace, that never even existed.Armin angers me so much with his ''let's talk this out''.Bitch, you are in war for so much centuries.What are you even talking about?Get real.

Shadzzo said:
Imagine being such a pathetic group of people that you start killing your own people for the sake of the survival of your enemy that will annihilate you after you save their ass lmao

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
who's the "enemy"? every man, woman and child outside the island? This "pathetic" group is trying hard to prevent world-scale genocide bud.

Didn't you get the moral of the story? If places were reversed, Eren would have smashed the walls, just like Colossal and Armored titans did. There are no "innocents" in this story; no true enemies; so nobody deserves to be annihilated.

Try putting yourself in the boots of those, so called "enemies". You wouldn't want to see your family trampled to death, because your government did bad things right?

Shadzzo said:
And yeah it is absolutely pathetic for them to kill their own kind so other people AND their enemies who wanted them dead for hundreds of years can survive.

Shadzzo said:


There is no other option for the survival of eldians bud. The enemy is not the whole world yes. But the enemy is Marleyans who want them dead. The enemy who will destroy them the second eren's plan fails. Do you think it would just be "haha they helped us stoping him we good now :-D" ? Or the more realistic version "Well since their last chance of colossal titan attack is over, we can destory them now." ?

And yeah it is absolutely pathetic for them to kill their own kind so other people AND their enemies who wanted them dead for hundreds of years can survive.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
the situation in the manga is very similar to Japan vs the world at the last year of war. Japan was desperate and suicidal. Imagine some magic bullshit becomes suddenly available to them. Would you still be ok with Japan using some wunderwafe to annihilate the rest of the "enemy who wants nothing but Japan's annihilation" outside their island? - would the same logic still apply? Now don't lecture me on historical accuracy and simply think about undeniable similarities in the mindset of people fighting this war. Now, if some "pathetic" Japanese, began fighting their own people to stop this madness and save the world, would you still call them pathetic? Even as an American? knowing your ass was saved from the impending doom by some "racist, supremacist, irredeemable Japs?" Would you still call those few heroes, pathetic?

The moral of the story here is not "kill or be killed is the only way for an opressed people to survive", no, both sides simply need convincing that the other isn't a freaking devil. The team of heroes we're watching FINALLY realized that and united against Eren because of that! How many wars have the humanity fought against "devils" and how many times, in the end have they all realized that they were just the same humans they themselves are?

Dude i dont know why you are failing to understand that this isnt comparible to a real world example. Nobody imprissoned Japanese people in an island because of them being "devils" and wanted to annihilate all of the people in the island for hundreds of years. Plus the heroes (8 people in total which most of them will die soon to Eren and half of them are Eldians who have no saying in Marley politics) wont change the goal of whole nations. Lets say they stopped Eren, then what? Just like Jean asked or Yelena said, there is nothing to do after they stop their only chance of survival. And thats why they are pathetic.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@Shadzzo

I thought i've said already that historical accuracy is not the point here. OF COURSEwe don't have EXACT examples of people being locked up on an island by some enemy for ages. But we still have plenty of real-life examples when groups of people were oppressed and in the end they still managed to find common ground with those who did them wrong! We have plenty of examples when two sides were convinced that the other was a devil and most likely not going to negotiate and fight to the death, thus had to be annihilated - Well Germany and Japan still exist today right? The main point the manga is addressing here, again, isn't who is right or wrong, but it's to show us how easy people are mislead and manipulated into believing that the enemy is devil, and has to be annihilated! So, when does it become OK to massacre the other side? Is it ever OK? Who defines if it's OK? What makes one side good and other bad?
Both sides in the story here are convinced that the other is evil, both are wrong, both need to chill!
Unless you're biased towards Eldians, i don't know why you'd still see this whole genocide thing as the only and right decision here.
Are you forgetting that the Eldians were opressing Marleyans with their titans ages ago? - In this case, it makes Marleyans the good guys for fighting back. It seemingly justifies their hatred towards Paradis island right? No. It's been ages since that time amd Eldians are just normal people, just like Marleyans, who want to live ordinary lives - Marleyan citizens simply don't know that and their racist leaders are the reason.
Now flip the coin and look at Eldians who are opressed by Marleyans as they have to hide behind the walls. They simply want to live an ordinary, peaceful life. Now that they know the "true enemy", they want them defeated. But racist leafership, like Eren, makes it seem like the other side can;t be reasoned with and has to be annihilated. The citizens of Eldia simply don't know that peace is possible!
Eren lived among Marleyans and knows that they're the same humans as Eldians. Neither side is evil-incarnate. Yet, he still wants to kill the other side for obvious reason, because he was born an Eldian!!! - thus he naturally sides with his people vs the other. It's racially motivated action of a psycho! Even though i understand why Eren does this, considering the short lifespan must be bugging his mind a lot, it still doesn't justify the trampling of the WHOLE WORLD and it shocks me how people can justify this!
What makes Eldians more just than Marleyans? Why even pick sides here as a reader? Both sides of the story got oppressed, both have a reason to hate each other, so is it up to LUCK, to where you are born? Eren was "lucky" to be born as an Eldian in this case, and when he annihilates the enemy, there will be no one left to argue with him. There's a saying "history is written by victors", Eren here says "What history?" He'll just destroy everything and there will be nothing but Eldians... The hypocrisy...
In this chapter it was made clear, that Eren knows he'd do the exact same thing and would have annihilated Eldians, if tables were flipped and he was born as a Marleyan (that's why he told Reiner he understands him) - another reason why siding with him is impossible, unless, once again you're biased towards Eren and Eldians.
Knowing how hypocritical this whole war is, the team of heroes is trying to prevent the annihilation of the opposing side, because, it's morally wrong, it's not the only way to end the war, it's not going to FIX anything in a long run! Eldians are already divided between themselves, the same way people here on forums are. It was mentioned in this chapter that Eren's plan will NOT save the island. They'll simple erase the rest of the world that is CURRENTLY opposing them? but what will happen after the enemy is gone? Will it end all wars? Eldians will start killing Eldians sooner or later, they'll find a reason, after all, in the end Eldians are HUMANS, the same way Marleyans are HUMANS - thus, they make stupid mistakes and start wars for shitty reasons. Eren is basically killing humans who are currently against his people, but the moral of the story is that in the future, DESPITE Marley being annihilated, there will still be OTHER groups of humans Eldians will have to fight with. Should mass genocide be the one option during wars? Humanity would not exist to this day!

As the story progresses, i'm sure you will have your answers. I'm already convinced that this will not end with Eren trampling everyone and Eldians being the only ones to survive. Take my word, in the end, we'll have both sides living in a peaceful world together. You just don't want to see how that's possible, just like Yagerists do. But it is possible, the team of heroes is the example of just that; you just wait and see.

bro, i agree with you on a lot of points here, but there's no way this is getting a happy or optimistic ending lmao it's a tragedy through and through.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@Shadzzo

I thought i've said already that historical accuracy is not the point here. OF COURSEwe don't have EXACT examples of people being locked up on an island by some enemy for ages. But we still have plenty of real-life examples when groups of people were oppressed and in the end they still managed to find common ground with those who did them wrong! We have plenty of examples when two sides were convinced that the other was a devil and most likely not going to negotiate and fight to the death, thus had to be annihilated - Well Germany and Japan still exist today right? The main point the manga is addressing here, again, isn't who is right or wrong, but it's to show us how easy people are mislead and manipulated into believing that the enemy is devil, and has to be annihilated! So, when does it become OK to massacre the other side? Is it ever OK? Who defines if it's OK? What makes one side good and other bad?
Both sides in the story here are convinced that the other is evil, both are wrong, both need to chill!
Unless you're biased towards Eldians, i don't know why you'd still see this whole genocide thing as the only and right decision here.
Are you forgetting that the Eldians were opressing Marleyans with their titans ages ago? - In this case, it makes Marleyans the good guys for fighting back. It seemingly justifies their hatred towards Paradis island right? No. It's been ages since that time amd Eldians are just normal people, just like Marleyans, who want to live ordinary lives - Marleyan citizens simply don't know that and their racist leaders are the reason.
Now flip the coin and look at Eldians who are opressed by Marleyans as they have to hide behind the walls. They simply want to live an ordinary, peaceful life. Now that they know the "true enemy", they want them defeated. But racist leafership, like Eren, makes it seem like the other side can;t be reasoned with and has to be annihilated. The citizens of Eldia simply don't know that peace is possible!
Eren lived among Marleyans and knows that they're the same humans as Eldians. Neither side is evil-incarnate. Yet, he still wants to kill the other side for obvious reason, because he was born an Eldian!!! - thus he naturally sides with his people vs the other. It's racially motivated action of a psycho! Even though i understand why Eren does this, considering the short lifespan must be bugging his mind a lot, it still doesn't justify the trampling of the WHOLE WORLD and it shocks me how people can justify this!
What makes Eldians more just than Marleyans? Why even pick sides here as a reader? Both sides of the story got oppressed, both have a reason to hate each other, so is it up to LUCK, to where you are born? Eren was "lucky" to be born as an Eldian in this case, and when he annihilates the enemy, there will be no one left to argue with him. There's a saying "history is written by victors", Eren here says "What history?" He'll just destroy everything and there will be nothing but Eldians... The hypocrisy...
In this chapter it was made clear, that Eren knows he'd do the exact same thing and would have annihilated Eldians, if tables were flipped and he was born as a Marleyan (that's why he told Reiner he understands him) - another reason why siding with him is impossible, unless, once again you're biased towards Eren and Eldians.
Knowing how hypocritical this whole war is, the team of heroes is trying to prevent the annihilation of the opposing side, because, it's morally wrong, it's not the only way to end the war, it's not going to FIX anything in a long run! Eldians are already divided between themselves, the same way people here on forums are. It was mentioned in this chapter that Eren's plan will NOT save the island. They'll simple erase the rest of the world that is CURRENTLY opposing them? but what will happen after the enemy is gone? Will it end all wars? Eldians will start killing Eldians sooner or later, they'll find a reason, after all, in the end Eldians are HUMANS, the same way Marleyans are HUMANS - thus, they make stupid mistakes and start wars for shitty reasons. Eren is basically killing humans who are currently against his people, but the moral of the story is that in the future, DESPITE Marley being annihilated, there will still be OTHER groups of humans Eldians will have to fight with. Should mass genocide be the one option during wars? Humanity would not exist to this day!

As the story progresses, i'm sure you will have your answers. I'm already convinced that this will not end with Eren trampling everyone and Eldians being the only ones to survive. Take my word, in the end, we'll have both sides living in a peaceful world together. You just don't want to see how that's possible, just like Yagerists do. But it is possible, the team of heroes is the example of just that; you just wait and see.

Thank You for writing this long post. I was also thinking of writing something similar after seeing how so many are still clearly missing the point and seeing things black and white. Saying the world should be annihilated and they deserve this is being ignorant and a hypocrite and your well-articulated post make it clear.
However, I don't agree on eren being racist here. He of all people know the best that all people are same, I think eren see this is as the only way because, like you mentioned, of his short age, and the uncertainties that lie ahead, this is undeniably a solution that ensures the survival of his people, further we still need to see things from his and historia's pov.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@Shadzzo

I thought i've said already that historical accuracy is not the point here. OF COURSEwe don't have EXACT examples of people being locked up on an island by some enemy for ages. But we still have plenty of real-life examples when groups of people were oppressed and in the end they still managed to find common ground with those who did them wrong! We have plenty of examples when two sides were convinced that the other was a devil and most likely not going to negotiate and fight to the death, thus had to be annihilated - Well Germany and Japan still exist today right? The main point the manga is addressing here, again, isn't who is right or wrong, but it's to show us how easy people are mislead and manipulated into believing that the enemy is devil, and has to be annihilated! So, when does it become OK to massacre the other side? Is it ever OK? Who defines if it's OK? What makes one side good and other bad?
Both sides in the story here are convinced that the other is evil, both are wrong, both need to chill!
Unless you're biased towards Eldians, i don't know why you'd still see this whole genocide thing as the only and right decision here.
Are you forgetting that the Eldians were opressing Marleyans with their titans ages ago? - In this case, it makes Marleyans the good guys for fighting back. It seemingly justifies their hatred towards Paradis island right? No. It's been ages since that time amd Eldians are just normal people, just like Marleyans, who want to live ordinary lives - Marleyan citizens simply don't know that and their racist leaders are the reason.
Now flip the coin and look at Eldians who are opressed by Marleyans as they have to hide behind the walls. They simply want to live an ordinary, peaceful life. Now that they know the "true enemy", they want them defeated. But racist leafership, like Eren, makes it seem like the other side can;t be reasoned with and has to be annihilated. The citizens of Eldia simply don't know that peace is possible!
Eren lived among Marleyans and knows that they're the same humans as Eldians. Neither side is evil-incarnate. Yet, he still wants to kill the other side for obvious reason, because he was born an Eldian!!! - thus he naturally sides with his people vs the other. It's racially motivated action of a psycho! Even though i understand why Eren does this, considering the short lifespan must be bugging his mind a lot, it still doesn't justify the trampling of the WHOLE WORLD and it shocks me how people can justify this!
What makes Eldians more just than Marleyans? Why even pick sides here as a reader? Both sides of the story got oppressed, both have a reason to hate each other, so is it up to LUCK, to where you are born? Eren was "lucky" to be born as an Eldian in this case, and when he annihilates the enemy, there will be no one left to argue with him. There's a saying "history is written by victors", Eren here says "What history?" He'll just destroy everything and there will be nothing but Eldians... The hypocrisy...
In this chapter it was made clear, that Eren knows he'd do the exact same thing and would have annihilated Eldians, if tables were flipped and he was born as a Marleyan (that's why he told Reiner he understands him) - another reason why siding with him is impossible, unless, once again you're biased towards Eren and Eldians.
Knowing how hypocritical this whole war is, the team of heroes is trying to prevent the annihilation of the opposing side, because, it's morally wrong, it's not the only way to end the war, it's not going to FIX anything in a long run! Eldians are already divided between themselves, the same way people here on forums are. It was mentioned in this chapter that Eren's plan will NOT save the island. They'll simple erase the rest of the world that is CURRENTLY opposing them? but what will happen after the enemy is gone? Will it end all wars? Eldians will start killing Eldians sooner or later, they'll find a reason, after all, in the end Eldians are HUMANS, the same way Marleyans are HUMANS - thus, they make stupid mistakes and start wars for shitty reasons. Eren is basically killing humans who are currently against his people, but the moral of the story is that in the future, DESPITE Marley being annihilated, there will still be OTHER groups of humans Eldians will have to fight with. Should mass genocide be the one option during wars? Humanity would not exist to this day!

As the story progresses, i'm sure you will have your answers. I'm already convinced that this will not end with Eren trampling everyone and Eldians being the only ones to survive. Take my word, in the end, we'll have both sides living in a peaceful world together. You just don't want to see how that's possible, just like Yagerists do. But it is possible, the team of heroes is the example of just that; you just wait and see.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
@Modernoir Thank you for kind words)