So it's gun control you want, huh? Think again!

Mayhem · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
Please tell me oh Constitutional scholar what exactly your understanding and interpretation of the second amendment is. You do realize that "keep and bear arms" has been interpreted as what one can carry, right? Oh that's right you don't know that which is the whole point of my comments. That is in it's most simplistic form of what causes differences of interpretation. Oh and I never said hunter's rights were ever addressed in the Constitution, I said that even hunters should have limits in the amount of weaponry they can own. Hunter's rights is a canard to buttress the argument that individuals can own hundreds of weapons. Which if interpreted as the framers wrote it, would contradict the right to "bear" arms which I and many others believe is the proper interpretation.

And while the Second Amendment gives us the right to bear arms, it does not give people the right to stockpile weapons to an absurd level.

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Show me where the Constitution says this.

You probably think militia means the National Guard also. My understanding of the Constitution as it is written and how it is interpreted are two different things as it is for most attorneys. I have engaged in countless hours of argument and discussion about this topic. And while the Second Amendment gives us the right to bear arms, it does not give people the right to stockpile weapons to an absurd level.

You obviously have a 4th graders strict interpretation mentality of the Constitution whereas guys like me get paid to interpret it whether you like our interpretations or not.

Dude, not only do you not know what you're talking about, you don't seem to have a single earthly clue what I'm talking about either.

Hunter's rights is a canard to buttress the argument that individuals can own hundreds of weapons.

Bullshit. I have no idea where you dug that one up from.

You probably think militia means the National Guard also.

You really shouldn't try to speak for other people, you suck at it. The militia and the National Guard are mutually exclusive entities.

"That each and every free able-bodied male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia."

The entire able-bodied population of a community, town, county, or state, available to be called to arms.

A private, non-government force, not necessarily directly supported or sanctioned by its government.

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You obviously have a 4th graders strict interpretation mentality of the Constitution whereas guys like me get paid to interpret it whether you like our interpretations or not.

Typical lawyer-speak to justify charging somebody $200 an hour the take the simple and make it difficult. The text of the Bill of Rights was made/kept simple by people who were smarter; much, much smarter than you and your shyster pals because the framers knew for a fact that bullshit artists like the current legal profession were going to try to pull the exact kind of crap that you are trying to pull here. Interpretation, obfuscation, minimalization.....and 230+ years later, you still can't pull it off. Maybe you should take an unbilled moment and think about that.

StanScratch · Dec 6, 2011

Jack "24" Bauer said:
Show me where in the Constitution (or anywhere for that matter) where it says "No Stockpiling of firearms."

Show me where in the Constitution where it says I cannot stockpile nuclear weapons.

Sam Fisher · Dec 6, 2011

StanScratch said:
Show me where in the Constitution where it says I cannot stockpile nuclear weapons.

Listen kid, you're in over your head. Trying to be cute with the "show me where" mantra is silly at best. Leave this discussion for those who respect and understand the Constitution.

Mayhem · Dec 6, 2011

StanScratch said:
Show me where in the Constitution where it says I cannot stockpile nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons aren't firearms.

Anything else I can help you with?

Facetious · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
I have never known one person that has owned more than 3 guns that wasn't a scared insecure little asshole.

Choose your associates a little more wisely.

Hypergalaxy · Dec 6, 2011

You gun fanatics and advocates are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet and do not live in reality. Lets think about this for a second, the government says for some reason "we are going to in slave the entire USA or half of it"(hilarious I know). Do you really think johnny jackass and his 10 friends sitting out in tennessee on his porch with 20 shotguns, rifles, handguns, grenades is going to do shit about it? NO! Do you know why? Because when the army rolls up in tanks, apc's, jets, battle ships with rpgs, drones, nukes, satellites your stupid guns ownership isn't going to do shit. Do us all a favor and shoot yourself with the guns you love so much or come back to reality and contribute to conversations that are worth being had.

Sam Fisher · Dec 6, 2011

Rockerx said:
You gun fanatics and advocates are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet and do not live in reality. Lets think about this for a second, the government says for some reason "we are going to in slave the entire USA or half of it"(hilarious I know). Do you really think johnny jackass and his 10 friends sitting out in tennessee on his porch with 20 shotguns, rifles, handguns, grenades is going to do shit about it? NO, do you knwo why? Because when the army rolls up in tanks, jets, battle ships with rpgs, drones, nukes, satellites your stupid guns ownership isn't going to do shit. Do us all a favor and shoot yourself with the guns you love so much or come back to reality and contribute to conversations that are worth being had.

Battleships with Rocket Propelled Grenades? Your contribution and lack of knowledge came to an abrupt halt after making that asinine statement.

Bloodshot Scott · Dec 6, 2011

Rockerx said:
You gun fanatics and advocates are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet and do not live in reality. Lets think about this for a second, the government says for some reason "we are going to in slave the entire USA or half of it"(hilarious I know). Do you really think johnny jackass and his 10 friends sitting out in tennessee on his porch with 20 shotguns, rifles, handguns, grenades is going to do shit about it? NO! Do you know why? Because when the army rolls up in tanks, apc's, jets, battle ships with rpgs, drones, nukes, satellites your stupid guns ownership isn't going to do shit. Do us all a favor and shoot yourself with the guns you love so much or come back to reality and contribute to conversations that are worth being had.

:bang::lame:

Where the hell do some of you flakes live, Palos Verdes and the Hamptons? :facepalm:

Mayhem · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
I have never known one person that has owned more than 3 guns that wasn't a scared insecure little asshole.

Roald said:
Oh I forgot to add idiot.

Idiot!

StanScratch said:
Show me where in the Constitution where it says I cannot stockpile nuclear weapons.

Rockerx said:
You gun fanatics and advocates are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet and do not live in reality. Lets think about this for a second, the government says for some reason "we are going to in slave the entire USA or half of it"(hilarious I know). Do you really think johnny jackass and his 10 friends sitting out in tennessee on his porch with 20 shotguns, rifles, handguns, grenades is going to do shit about it? NO! Do you know why? Because when the army rolls up in tanks, jets, battle ships with rpgs, drones, nukes, satellites your stupid guns ownership isn't going to do shit. Do us all a favor and shoot yourself with the guns you love so much or come back to reality and contribute to conversations that are worth being had.

These posts are the reason why I don't lay awake at night worrying about the 2nd Amendment. And you guys really should reflect on the fact that gun shops around the country remain, fully stocked and moving inventory because this is the best that you anti-gunners can do. And your best is, quite simply, nowhere near good enough.

Jack Davenport · Dec 6, 2011

Mayhem said:
Dude, not only do you not know what you're talking about, you don't seem to have a single earthly clue what I'm talking about either.

Bullshit. I have no idea where you dug that one up from.

You really shouldn't try to speak for other people, you suck at it. The militia and the National Guard are mutually exclusive entities.

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Typical lawyer-speak to justify charging somebody $200 an hour the take the simple and make it difficult. The text of the Bill of Rights was made/kept simple by people who were smarter; much, much smarter than you and your shyster pals because the framers knew for a fact that bullshit artists like the current legal profession were going to try to pull the exact kind of crap that you are trying to pull here. Interpretation, obfuscation, minimalization.....and 230+ years later, you still can't pull it off. Maybe you should take an unbilled moment and think about that.

The framers came from a completely different POV when they addressed the issue of arms than what it has become now.

Theirs was that they wanted the citizenry to be able to protect from the abuse of the government and it's military and for self defense and the defense of their property. I know exactly what you are talking about. You want the right to own as many weapons as your little heart desires. My position is and has always been that you have that right to bear arms but with reasonable limits. Look, I know I am fighting an uphill battle here, but there is a disconnect somewhere in owning weapons for personal use and owning tons of weapons because it gives you a hard on.

I think the first step in gaining control over this madness is setting reasonable limits on gun ownership not taking the right away.

Nothing warms my heart more than when some asshole makes threats against someone and a protective order is granted that confiscates all their firearms. Usually the asshole has on average 10-15 weapons that law enforcement confiscates. It's an unpopular position to take, especially among my conservative friends but I am unwavering in my opinion that the framers never intended for individuals to own a infinite amount of weapons.

Ace Boobtoucher · Dec 6, 2011

Hypergalaxy · Dec 6, 2011

Bloodshot Scott said:
:bang::lame:

Where the hell do some of you flakes live, Palos Verdes and the Hamptons?

:1orglaugh Flakes? Go shoot a tank with your ak47 or go hide in your fallout shelter to escape some nukes and let us know how that works out for ya. Bet it will look pretty flakey while you try.

Mayhem said:
These posts are the reason why I don't lay awake at night worrying about the 2nd Amendment. And you guys really should reflect on the fact that gun shops around the country remain, fully stocked and moving inventory because this is the best that you anti-gunners can do. And your best is, quite simply, nowhere near good enough.

Whatever this even means.. I am glad they are fully stocked, people can waste their money on whatever the fuck they want as long as drugs are legalized and so is prostitution. But the argument that people need guns so the government doesn't have them all is ridiculous.

Sam Fisher · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
The framers came from a completely different POV when they addressed the issue of arms than what it has become now.

Theirs was that they wanted the citizenry to be able to protect from the abuse of the government and it's military and for self defense and the defense of their property. I know exactly what you are talking about. You want the right to own as many weapons as your little heart desires. My position is and has always been that you have that right to bear arms but with reasonable limits. Look, I know I am fighting an uphill battle here, but there is a disconnect somewhere in owning weapons for personal use and owning tons of weapons because it gives you a hard on.

I think the first step in gaining control over this madness is setting reasonable limits on gun ownership not taking the right away.

Nothing warms my heart more than when some asshole makes threats against someone and a protective order is granted that confiscates all their firearms. Usually the asshole has on average 10-15 weapons that law enforcement confiscates. It's an unpopular position to take, especially among my conservative friends but I am unwavering in my opinion that the framers never intended for individuals to own a infinite amount of weapons.

So using your logic, the First Amendment is currently fucked up. The Framers never called for free speech, as in Printing Presses that weren't "type-set". In other words, no more internet, no more 24 hour cable news, in fact... the only way we can get anything out (according to your dumb-ass theory) is to outlaw all radio, television, internet, and mass produced newspapers and magazines. Because, as you say... the Framers didn't intend on it becoming what Freedom of Speech currently is. Right?

Jack Davenport · Dec 6, 2011

A lot of good all those AK's and Brownings are gonna do ya when the evil US Government decides it doesn't want your type around or your guns and sends in F/A 18's to wipe out your little gun toting Utopia. Did the framers foresee that we may need a fighter squadron militia also to counter that?

Mayhem · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
The framers came from a completely different POV when they addressed the issue of arms than what it has become now.

Theirs was that they wanted the citizenry to be able to protect from the abuse of the government and it's military and for self defense and the defense of their property. I know exactly what you are talking about. You want the right to own as many weapons as your little heart desires. My position is and has always been that you have that right to bear arms but with reasonable limits. Look, I know I am fighting an uphill battle here, but there is a disconnect somewhere in owning weapons for personal use and owning tons of weapons because it gives you a hard on.

I think the first step in gaining control over this madness is setting reasonable limits on gun ownership not taking the right away.

Nothing warms my heart more than when some asshole makes threats against someone and a protective order is granted that confiscates all their firearms. Usually the asshole has on average 10-15 weapons that law enforcement confiscates. It's an unpopular position to take, especially among my conservative friends but I am unwavering in my opinion that the framers never intended for individuals to own a infinite amount of weapons.

And you are so impressed with your argument that you can't see the obvious: What does it matter how many guns a person owns when he can only shoot one at a time?

Rockerx said:
You gun fanatics and advocates are some of the dumbest people on the face of the planet and do not live in reality. Lets think about this for a second, the government says for some reason "we are going to in slave the entire USA or half of it"(hilarious I know). Do you really think johnny jackass and his 10 friends sitting out in tennessee on his porch with 20 shotguns, rifles, handguns, grenades is going to do shit about it? NO! Do you know why? Because when the army rolls up in tanks, apc's, jets, battle ships with rpgs, drones, nukes, satellites your stupid guns ownership isn't going to do shit. Do us all a favor and shoot yourself with the guns you love so much or come back to reality and contribute to conversations that are worth being had.

Blue Countach said:
A lot of good all those AK's and Brownings are gonna do ya when the evil US Government decides it doesn't want your type around or your guns and sends in F/A 18's to wipe out your little gun toting Utopia. Did the framers foresee that we may need a fighter squadron militia also to counter that?

I got two words for both of you: Viet Cong.

Jack Davenport · Dec 6, 2011

Jack "24" Bauer said:
So using your logic, the First Amendment is currently fucked up. The Framers never called for free speech, as in Printing Presses that weren't "type-set". In other words, no more internet, no more 24 hour cable news, in fact... the only way we can get anything out (according to your dumb-ass theory) is to outlaw all radio, television, internet, and mass produced newspapers and magazines. Because, as you say... the Framers didn't intend on it becoming what Freedom of Speech currently is. Right?

William F. Buckley you're not. Where did I say to outlaw anything when it comes to guns? I said reasonable limits.

Sam Fisher · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
William F. Buckley you're not. Where did I say to outlaw anything when it comes to guns? I said reasonable limits.

Ahh.... I see. As soon as someone mentions curtailing the First Amendment, (as the Framers intended it) you do a little bit of back pedaling.

Jack Davenport · Dec 6, 2011

Jack "24" Bauer said:
Ahh.... I see. As soon as someone mentions curtailing the First Amendment, (as the Framers intended it) you do a little bit of back pedaling.

I fully support your right of free speech to confirm how much of an idiot you are.

It's one of the most beautiful aspects of the First Amendment. When you can go back and find one instance where I said that no one has the right to bear arms or that they should own only certain type then your red herring might be something worthy of addressing.

Sam Fisher · Dec 6, 2011

Blue Countach said:
I fully support your right of free speech to confirm how much of an idiot you are. It's one of the most beautiful aspects of the First Amendment. When you can go back and find one instance where I said that no one has the right to bear arms or that they should own only certain type then your red herring might be something worthy of addressing.

The thing is, you or nobody else can tell me how many firearms I own. You can wish all you want and pretend to be my worst nightmare. How many knives do you posses? Suppose I, or someone else said you can only have one or two in your home? Gonna pass the steak knife around the table when you have guests over?

MrZiggles · Dec 6, 2011

Jack "24" Bauer said:
So using your logic, the First Amendment is currently fucked up. The Framers never called for free speech, as in Printing Presses that weren't "type-set". In other words, no more internet, no more 24 hour cable news, in fact... the only way we can get anything out (according to your dumb-ass theory) is to outlaw all radio, television, internet, and mass produced newspapers and magazines. Because, as you say... the Framers didn't intend on it becoming what Freedom of Speech currently is. Right?

Freedom of speech already has certain reasonable limits on it.

So it's gun control you want, huh? Think again!

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