Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Elizabeth Haran

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The result was keep. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 11:36, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Haran

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WP:BLP of a writer, whose claims of notability are not reliably sourced, and an equally poorly sourced article about her debut novel. Her biography cites no independent references at all -- the only "reference" present here at all is her book's own advertising trailer on YouTube, which does not represent an independent or notability-conferring source as she was directly affiliated with its creation. This has been tagged for referencing problems since 2016 without improvement, and going back into the article history it has never contained any other references at all. Meanwhile, the novel article contains no sources whatsoever, and has been tagged for referencing and notability issues even longer than her BLP has.
As always, writers are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist: the notability test is the reception of media coverage (book reviews, etc.) which verifies that the notability claims are true. Furthermore, the article was created by an WP:SPA who has never made a single contribution to Wikipedia on any topic but Elizabeth Haran and her novels, so there's a potential (but not confirmed) conflict of interest here as well. (Note also that if this does get deleted, several of her other novels are in place as redirects, so don't forget to clean those out as G8s.) Bearcat (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Zimbabwe-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:37, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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• Keep Delete both. I was unable to find any IRS even half supporting notability. Aoziwe (talk) 23:35, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Changing to keep. Searches at TROVE and AUSTLIT and mutlilingual google search results definitely confirm that the subject is an accomplished AUTHOR with their books being translated into multiple languages, and held in mutiple languages in multiple libraries even in Australia. There are also reviews in multiple languages but with google translate it is very hard to ascertain the quality, reliability, and indendence of the review. For some reason there is just not much about the subject in English. The subject seems pretty well known to german, polish, french, spanish, and czech readers. Perhaps the subject should be "throwing a shrimp on the barbie" along with Paul Hogan. Some of the individual book articles can probably go, but the author's article I think is a definite keep. Aoziwe (talk) 05:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Reluctant delete: although her books have been translated into a lot of other languages, I can find nothing independent written about her. Even her own "official website" at http://www.elizabethharan.com seems to have been hijacked - it's in a non-European language and doesn't look as if it relates to her at all. There are articles in German and Spanish wikipedias, both tagged as in need of references. Sad, but unless someone can find sources she doesn't appear to merit an article. PamD 17:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
  • I've removed the "official website" because it was taken over by some unrelated entity and no longer has to do with this person. If the correct URL is found, it can be restored to the External Links section. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Changing !vote to Keep after the splendid efforts of various editors. Now properly notable. PamD 09:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
• Keep Delete both. I could find no media coverage on the web, articles have no sources and there is nothing to support notability. Unoc (talk) 12:44, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Rescission of delete both. My search skills are wavering. Any unique content from A Woman For All Seasons should be merged into bio... Unoc (talk) 08:55, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment I have found some articles in newspapers from Adelaide. As her books were published initially in German, Russian, Czech and other European languages, I will try to check the titles in those languages for reviews or coverage of her. I find it hard to believe that an author of 17 books published in multiple languages does not have enough reviews or coverage somewhere, to enable her to meet WP:NAUTHOR. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

My thoughts too - maybe I did not look far enough... Aoziwe (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

User:Aoziwe, User:RebeccaGreen spelling her name with an s - Elisabeth - helps with German searches.

Thanks, I had thought about trying that, though German sources with the z spelling were coming up, just not reliable ones. I might try Der Spiegel again with the s spelling. RebeccaGreen (talk) 00:44, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I found her in the Münchner Merkur, but sort of by luck. I've never tried to run a news archive search in German. But maybe I'll try doing that . There must be more sources in countries where she's a best-seller. E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:02, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• WP:HEY sources added to page during this discussion.Keep Successful novelist, of very popular historical novels, I think there is enough sourcing to keep. She seems to be very popular in Spanigh, at least, libraries in the U.S. own a lot of her books in Spanish.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:36, 13 March 2019 (UTC) The Advertiser (Adelaide): Largs Bay native Elizabeth Haran has written 16 novels mostly set in Australia but is little know in SA.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:27, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete her novel , it lacks significant sourcing sufficient ot support a freeseanding article, but is included in BIO page, so no need to redirect this title, a phrase that which had had many other used over the years.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:13, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to allow for discussion in light of recent improvements made to the article.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:HEY. In addition to the significant improvements already done following the nomination, I've just added a few additional refs. With regard to her novel, consider either a delete or a merge. Note: I had never seen two AFDs that link to a single AFD page. Interesting! XavierItzm (talk) 10:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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